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Re: Things I have learnt.

Postby north-north-west » Tue 19 Apr, 2022 9:00 am

Few things are more anti-climactic than girding your loins (and every other bodily part) for what looks to be a slow, difficult scrub bash, only to find that
a) most of the scrub has been burnt and
b) there's a taped, cairned - and occasionally cut - pad all the way down.

Also, designers of trekking poles have never walked offtrack. Put the flicklocks the other way around, please, so they don't catch on every bit of vegetation you pass.
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Re: Things I have learnt.

Postby Warin » Tue 19 Apr, 2022 9:45 am

north-north-west wrote:Also, designers of trekking poles have never walked offtrack. Put the flicklocks the other way around, please, so they don't catch on every bit of vegetation you pass.


The lower one can be rotated to whatever you want, at least on my poles. So that should reduce the aggravation. the upper one ... do it up a bit tighter?
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Re: Things I have learnt.

Postby rcaffin » Tue 19 Apr, 2022 10:01 am

Or buy ones with inner expanders instead of clumsy flicklocks?

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Re: Things I have learnt.

Postby north-north-west » Tue 19 Apr, 2022 10:17 am

rcaffin wrote:Or buy ones with inner expanders instead of clumsy flicklocks?

I gave up on twistlocks as soon as flicklocks came out because the former were always failing. They jammed, they slipped, they came undone. Horrible. Flicklocks are far superior in my opiinion, except for the orientation issue.

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north-north-west wrote:Also, designers of trekking poles have never walked offtrack. Put the flicklocks the other way around, please, so they don't catch on every bit of vegetation you pass.

The lower one can be rotated to whatever you want, at least on my poles. So that should reduce the aggravation. the upper one ... do it up a bit tighter?


They're easier to adjust if they're aligned, and they're tight enough to not be pulled open, it's just the catching in the vegetation and needing to be cleaned out bit that's annoying and the point is it shouldn't be necessary because they should design and build the things so it ISN'T A *&%$#! PROBLEM!!!
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Re: Things I have learnt.

Postby rcaffin » Tue 19 Apr, 2022 1:02 pm

I gave up on twistlocks as soon as flicklocks came out because the former were always failing. They jammed, they slipped, they came undone. Horrible.
Strange. I have several sets, none of which give any problems. (OK, review sets: I did not buy them.)

Ah, but the magic secret is that every now and then I disassemble them and clean both the bore and the rubber expander. This works wonders, and can be done in the field too.

You can usually buy replacement rubber bits too.

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Re: Things I have learnt.

Postby north-north-west » Tue 19 Apr, 2022 1:19 pm

OK, let me put this to you a different way: is there a reason they can't have the levers operating in the other direction? I can't think of one. Nothing. Zilch. Zero. Nada. So why are they all, always, that way around?

It's probably deliberate so the things gets snagged, sometimes open up, the lower section/s fall/s out and they have to be replaced. It's a kind of added planned obsoloescence. And that *&^%$#@! me. It would cost nothing to change that aspect of the design.
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Re: Things I have learnt.

Postby rcaffin » Tue 19 Apr, 2022 2:15 pm

Ah well, you see, it is all a matter of economics. Remember, the bean counters always prevail over the designers.

Now what probably happened was that a novice designer in China whipped up a design, which management thought was OK, so they made the steel molds for the parts and went into production. But making molds is expensive, so to amortise the cost the company made a million parts. And then they set about selling them to the West. You might complain that the design is lousy, but when the mfr has a million in the warehouse he can undercut any one else, including someone trying to make a better design.

So - until you have used up that 1 million there won't be a V2. You will just have to keep buying and throwing away.

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Re: Things I have learnt.

Postby Avatar » Tue 19 Apr, 2022 2:35 pm

Maybe done that way so they won't catch on clothing and tear or continually knock the edge of your kneecap.
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Re: Things I have learnt.

Postby north-north-west » Tue 19 Apr, 2022 3:17 pm

Avatar wrote:Maybe done that way so they won't catch on clothing and tear or continually knock the edge of your kneecap.

Nope, doesn't happen. You don't use them that close to the body. and they'd only snag if you had tassells dangling down at the right height anyway and they don't make bushwalking clothes/gear like that (yet, although the fashion designers probably will at some stage ... )

rcaffin wrote:Now what probably happened was that a novice designer in China whipped up a design, which management thought was OK, so they made the steel molds for the parts and went into production. But making molds is expensive, so to amortise the cost the company made a million parts. And then they set about selling them to the West. You might complain that the design is lousy, but when the mfr has a million in the warehouse he can undercut any one else, including someone trying to make a better design.

Every version for however many years from every manufacturer, every brand, including the latest updates?
Besides, it isn't the individual parts, it's how they're put together. Just put the locking levers on the other way around, that's all I ask. Put them on so that the end of the lever is at the back of the pole when held in the usual position rather than facing forward. That''s all they'd have to do. It's a small change.

Why is everyone fighting me on this? Are you just bored?
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Re: Things I have learnt.

Postby rcaffin » Tue 19 Apr, 2022 4:32 pm

Bored?
We have just had several weeks of 50 mm of rain every day. What do you expect?

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Re: Things I have learnt.

Postby north-north-west » Tue 19 Apr, 2022 5:05 pm

Sorry everyone, that was a bit rude. I know you're just trying to be helpful. Probably.

I need to get out for a walk.

rcaffin wrote:Bored?
We have just had several weeks of 50 mm of rain every day. What do you expect?


Still? I had hoped the worst of it would be over by now. I'm surprised the whole big island hasn't just floated away.
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Re: Things I have learnt.

Postby Warin » Tue 19 Apr, 2022 5:23 pm

north-north-west wrote: I'm surprised the whole big island hasn't just floated away.


Well NZ usually gets the rain we would have liked to have.. and they haven't floated away. I wonder if they are missing this rain fall?

Sydney to get a few more damp days coming up, my local tracks have been chopped up by mtbs.. nothing wrong with that just slows drying out. Had a few days of sun shine, got the washing done and ripped into a few weeds.
I did take the opportunity to clean some concrete on paths and drive at my place while it was wet .. a stiff broom got some of it.. but I had to use the hose to get a better job. That also proved the aldi boots are not 'water proof' at least when presser washed (and no it did not come in over the top).
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Re: Things I have learnt.

Postby ribuck » Tue 19 Apr, 2022 10:07 pm

north-north-west wrote:Every version for however many years from every manufacturer, every brand, including the latest updates?

For what it's worth, my only flick-lock pole is Tomshoo brand, and it has the end of the lever at the back as you prefer. Furthermore, it has a symmetrical grip so I can swap it between left and right hands according to whether I prefer the flick-lock to catch on my clothing or on the vegetation (not that I've ever noticed it doing either).
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Re: Things I have learnt.

Postby north-north-west » Fri 08 Jul, 2022 1:21 pm

You don't truly appreciate how much your little fingers are involved in doing things until you break one. Can't even get the camera out of the bag easily. :(
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