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Re: Horses and heritage

Postby wander » Wed 21 Apr, 2021 8:25 am

commando wrote:Did Brumbies do this ?? Wake up Australia.


This picture was most likely taken from this recent abc story. However it is not made clear where the picture was taken and it could be essentially anywhere that is being logged in Australia.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-20/vicforests-illegally-logging-in-water-catchments/100079514
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Re: Horses and heritage

Postby Zapruda » Wed 21 Apr, 2021 10:10 am

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Zapruda wrote:Stry, Davidmorr and Potato are correct, this is exclosure fencing to keep the horses out. Is this in the Cascades area? There was some new exclosure fencing installed to protect the Galaxias in the area.

This is a horse trap btw.


Is that the trap at Cowombat Flat?


This one is just inside the ACT on the way up to Mt Murray from Yaouk gap.
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Re: Horses and heritage

Postby north-north-west » Wed 21 Apr, 2021 2:46 pm

Zapruda wrote:
potato wrote:
Zapruda wrote:Stry, Davidmorr and Potato are correct, this is exclosure fencing to keep the horses out. Is this in the Cascades area? There was some new exclosure fencing installed to protect the Galaxias in the area.
This is a horse trap btw.

Is that the trap at Cowombat Flat?

This one is just inside the ACT on the way up to Mt Murray from Yaouk gap.

Is that a recent shot? That thing was there when I walked that ridge - must be getting on for ten years back. Or am I thinking of the northern ridge to Bimberi?
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Re: Horses and heritage

Postby Zapruda » Wed 21 Apr, 2021 3:00 pm

Yep still there and so is the one on Bimberi. Good memory.

That shot was May last year. I’ve been up as recently as March and both are still there.
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Re: Horses and heritage

Postby Xplora » Wed 21 Apr, 2021 3:10 pm

Warin wrote:
Xplora wrote:Another issue. But is it in the National Park? If the horses learnt to stay in State forest then nobody would bother them except those who seek to protect these horses


Think you'll find some state forest don't want then either. Same thing with farmers.


There is less pressure for land managers in State forest to deal with this problem but certainly some legislative responsibility. In Victoria, there will be some cross over with control in State forest because the horses do not respect the park boundary. I have never heard of any feral horse control program or management plan in a state forest. Farmers are no longer bothered by feral horses because of fences but in bygone days have shot them in the thousands. As the feral horses are not longer of economic impact they are of no concern.
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Re: Horses and heritage

Postby gayet » Fri 01 Oct, 2021 2:44 pm

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Re: Horses and heritage

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Re: Horses and heritage

Postby Hughmac » Fri 01 Oct, 2021 5:40 pm

Sounds great, except that an 11,000 reduction in the brumby population is supposed to be achieved initially by trapping and re-homing them, and if that (inevitably) fails, it will be done by trapping and euthenasing them. The idea that they can effectively trap 11,000 brumbies is farcical. The *&%$#! things will continue to breed faster than they can be caught. This is just another non-solution to placate Pork Barillaro and his mates.
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Re: Horses and heritage

Postby davidmorr » Fri 01 Oct, 2021 5:56 pm

Hughmac wrote:Sounds great, except that an 11,000 reduction in the brumby population is supposed to be achieved initially by trapping and re-homing them, and if that (inevitably) fails, it will be done by trapping and euthenasing them. The idea that they can effectively trap 11,000 brumbies is farcical. The *&%$#! things will continue to breed faster than they can be caught. This is just another non-solution to placate Pork Barillaro and his mates.

Good luck with rehoming them. That is what they have been trying to do for decades. No-one wanted the 200 per year they were allowed to trap then. They went to the abattoir. So rehoming 11,0000 is laughable.
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Re: Horses and heritage

Postby Eremophila » Fri 01 Oct, 2021 6:26 pm

With an enormous surplus of well-trained, largely disease and parasite free racehorses unable to be re-homed, what chance of placing feral animals?
I’d suggest it would be more cruel than shooting them, to capture, transport, contain them in a small paddock without their herd and attempt to “break” them. Gelding and drenching a wild horse could be challenging too.
Then they’re likely to attempt to break through fences…..good luck.
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Re: Horses and heritage

Postby davidmorr » Fri 01 Oct, 2021 6:52 pm

Many of them are not the fine specimens the romantics claim. They are just nags so a horse friend said, inbred, malformed, crippled, often scrawny.
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Re: Horses and heritage

Postby Xplora » Sat 02 Oct, 2021 7:08 am

Hughmac wrote:Sounds great, except that an 11,000 reduction in the brumby population is supposed to be achieved initially by trapping and re-homing them, and if that (inevitably) fails, it will be done by trapping and euthenasing them. The idea that they can effectively trap 11,000 brumbies is farcical. The *&%$#! things will continue to breed faster than they can be caught. This is just another non-solution to placate Pork Barillaro and his mates.


Ground shooting is on the table. The more important aspect of the plan is whether they got the sensitive areas right.

Eremophila wrote:With an enormous surplus of well-trained, largely disease and parasite free racehorses unable to be re-homed, what chance of placing feral animals?
I’d suggest it would be more cruel than shooting them, to capture, transport, contain them in a small paddock without their herd and attempt to “break” them. Gelding and drenching a wild horse could be challenging too.
Then they’re likely to attempt to break through fences…..good luck.


There are certainly some challenges to re-homing that is why most prefer younger horses. Some people, like Colleen Obrien, will take all types and has what is needed to keep them safe and break them. Breaking an older wild horse is possible but you really need to know what you are doing. I have two former race horses and I would not say they come well trained. The race horse industry is just another meat factory and horses are not broken in to suit your average rider. I would say you need an equal amount of skill to train one off the track as a wild horse. At least with a wild horse you are not correcting all the bad things it has been taught.

davidmorr wrote:Many of them are not the fine specimens the romantics claim. They are just nags so a horse friend said, inbred, malformed, crippled, often scrawny.


This is more the point with re-homing. You could not give one away to me. Congenital defects are common. There would be a level of inbreeding but this occurs more when population sizes are small. Certainly over time you would see it. The so called romantics know this also and have seeded fresh stock into herds over the years. Trying to get some size back to them. Mostly they are only good enough for young kids to ride due to their size. The trend with the horse supporters is not to re-home now and they are campaigning to keep the horses where they are. There will never be enough homes but at least now horses will not be released once caught in traps.
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Re: Horses and heritage

Postby tom_brennan » Wed 13 Oct, 2021 10:26 am

crollsurf wrote:NSW NPWS has just released a draft Wild Horses Heritage Management Plan
https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/-/media/OEH/Corporate-Site/Documents/Parks-reserves-and-protected-areas/Parks-management-other/kosciuszko-national-park-draft-wild-horse-heritage-management-plan-210347.pdf
Better but 3000 horses still sounds like a lot to me.


3000 horses is still a lot. But realistically, the plan is only to 2027. To get to 3000 horses by 2027 would be a pretty heroic effort.

Based on where we are now, the most important thing is to actually start getting the damned creatures out of the park. The efforts of the last few years don't count!
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Re: Horses and heritage

Postby johnw » Wed 13 Oct, 2021 1:22 pm

tom_brennan wrote:
crollsurf wrote:NSW NPWS has just released a draft Wild Horses Heritage Management Plan
https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/-/media/OEH/Corporate-Site/Documents/Parks-reserves-and-protected-areas/Parks-management-other/kosciuszko-national-park-draft-wild-horse-heritage-management-plan-210347.pdf
Better but 3000 horses still sounds like a lot to me.


3000 horses is still a lot. But realistically, the plan is only to 2027. To get to 3000 horses by 2027 would be a pretty heroic effort.

Based on where we are now, the most important thing is to actually start getting the damned creatures out of the park. The efforts of the last few years don't count!

At least Mr Brumby has now gone. I won't hold my breath but It would be nice if his successor has more appropriate view of the problem.
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