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Mount Warning National Park Management Plan

Postby Avatar » Sun 23 Oct, 2022 5:53 pm

Couldn't find any threads on this and it sounds like something the bushwalking community would be aware of and some might even have concerns.
Anyone got information on this?

It's reported access will be closed with $500k fines for breaching.
Is this the thin end of the wedge for bushwalkers and other regions may be subject to similar closure?

https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/topi ... ional-park
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Re: Mount Warning National Park Management Plan

Postby sandym » Mon 24 Oct, 2022 12:31 pm

I think it is the thin edge of the wedge. There is a NP down here on the south coast under indigineous management and it has been closed since the 2019 fires. That is 3 years and there seem to be no plans to open it back up to the general public.

But, I also think we may have entered times when it is very difficult to stop the machine. If you come off as not 100% supporting native title rights you are instantly accused of being racist and it is a downward spiral from there.

Mount Warning has, to my knowledge, also been closed since about 2017. I remember because that year we were driving up to Queensland for a long sea kayak trip and I wanted to go to that park and it was closed. Now I think about, the closure could even predate that.
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Re: Mount Warning National Park Management Plan

Postby JohnnoMcJohnno » Mon 24 Oct, 2022 3:40 pm

It's been closed many times over the years, after cyclone Oswald and Cyclone Debbie in particular, when major track restoration was required. However the latest closure was from March 2021 ostensibly due to covid.

I'm not convinced it is as simple as an Aboriginal land rights issue I think it is more to do with the ongoing expense of maintaining a safe track to the summit, for which NPWS get no income. I used to walk this track weekly for exercise, and there were many times when police, SES, helicopters etc were required to rescue someone, and on two occassions to extricate bodies. My personal opinion is that the authorities have had enough.
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Re: Mount Warning National Park Management Plan

Postby CBee » Mon 24 Oct, 2022 4:02 pm

Last time I hiked to the summit, it was horrific. A procession that looked more like the crowd at IKEA on a weekend. Groups with loud speakers and horrific music. Trail runners bumping into hikers and cursing. People in their 90s having heart attacks. Even a group of young girls, hangover, trying to block the path because one of them was pooing on the track and didn't want other hikers to see her. The section with the chain was more like the Hillary steps during peak hours on a good sunny day. Upon arriving near the top, the traffic was jammed and a man told me to get in line and wait my turn to get to the platform for a view. I was thinking... just place a booth at the car park and charge 30$ per person for the National Park entry. At the end of the day, it's all about money.
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Re: Mount Warning National Park Management Plan

Postby sandym » Mon 24 Oct, 2022 5:49 pm

Interesting. How come the NSW goverment does not shut down all pie shops, junk food stores, liquour outlets etc. as we are now at 70% of Aussies obese or overweight and these things cost far more money, by a huge margin, than rescuing a few people off a bushwalking track?

Should probably have another trigger warning on that.
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Re: Mount Warning National Park Management Plan

Postby Avatar » Mon 24 Oct, 2022 8:52 pm

Sounds like it's Australia's unsung Mt Everest sans frostbite and pulmonary oedema and the planned closure and $500,000 fines for breaching are nothing to worry about then.
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Re: Mount Warning National Park Management Plan

Postby duncanm » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 1:40 pm

Strange people don't seem to care.

Thin edge of the wedge.. get ready for more and more closures based on dubious feelz and mysticism.

Its a dangerous place, apparently. The mere presence of a woman in some areas may make people physically ill (pp40).
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Re: Mount Warning National Park Management Plan

Postby sandym » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 4:02 pm

Actually, I think it is a big issue and is going to get worse and worse. I am unsure, however, how much impact one has writing letters etc. to National Parks. Have done that so often in the past and it generally seems that the "public consultation" is really "we are doing this." I fear that parks will either be off limits or managed experiences for people who want to pay $400 to walk 8 km a day and stay in a big hut.

Is it progress?
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Re: Mount Warning National Park Management Plan

Postby ribuck » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 7:21 pm

sandym wrote:How come the NSW goverment does not shut down all pie shops, junk food stores, liquour outlets etc. as we are now at 70% of Aussies obese or overweight

Because pie eaters won't stand for it. But most bushwalkers seem to embrace regulation. Stockholm Syndrome at its best - love your rulers.

There was a time when public land was ... public land. Now it's treated as government-controlled land, which the authorities might in some circumstances deign to allow the public to visit.
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Re: Mount Warning National Park Management Plan

Postby north-north-west » Wed 26 Oct, 2022 6:38 am

I wiish people put as much effort into objecting to restrictions on movement (and the inevitablke environmental damage) caused by forestry or mining or hydro developments as they do with Aboriginal land.
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Re: Mount Warning National Park Management Plan

Postby sandym » Wed 26 Oct, 2022 3:29 pm

north-north-west wrote:I wiish people put as much effort into objecting to restrictions on movement (and the inevitablke environmental damage) caused by forestry or mining or hydro developments as they do with Aboriginal land.


I don't know that this is true. Certainly virtually impossible to prove. Down my way people are constantly protesting logging of native forests and I see that in other places in the news a lot. Farmers are protesting coal plants. Neighbours are protesting about clearing of local green spaces. National Parks are parks for the "nation" one would assume given that they are called "National".

People may be concerned about the thin edge of the wedge - to use a trite metaphor - because all Australian land is aboriginal land.
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Re: Mount Warning National Park Management Plan

Postby Nuts » Wed 26 Oct, 2022 8:24 pm

Whatever hierarchy is applied, in words and (especially) actions, all our park services recognise they are responsible for the conservation of areas of 'cultural heritage'. It' happens to be an aim listed below environmental protection and above providing for recreation on the NSW/PWS site, in their interpretation. Maybe restrictions are a shock because the services haven't done a lot so directed at cultural heritage in the past?

Anyhow, yeah, the topic was discussed here when an ongoing or permanent restriction was first mentioned. It didn't seem, from one seemingly studied poster, that cultural heritage was the main issue. So maybe those daggers are pointing in the wrong direction. Or maybe not, likely a handful of people who know the real story. Transparency is probably deserved first and foremost, given they are the nations parks.
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Re: Mount Warning National Park Management Plan

Postby hikesaround » Thu 03 Nov, 2022 4:40 pm

It seems that NSW National Parks have already provoked their first court case: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-qY6GZ1JJ4
Did they think we were going to just lie down and take their *&^%$#! without a fight?
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Re: Mount Warning National Park Management Plan

Postby freetoroam » Sun 20 Nov, 2022 7:27 am

Community meeting to support public access to the Mt Warning Park and summit January 14, 2023. Knox park Murwillumbah 11am.
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Re: Mount Warning National Park Management Plan

Postby Avatar » Fri 25 Nov, 2022 3:34 pm

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Re: Mount Warning National Park Management Plan

Postby sandym » Fri 25 Nov, 2022 3:50 pm

Wow. Even First Nations can't agree. What a schemmozzle.
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Re: Mount Warning National Park Management Plan

Postby CBee » Fri 25 Nov, 2022 4:03 pm

Ok, so the vast majority of visitors (tourists we want to call them, 120 thousand or so per year), have been banned from walking on the mountain, in favour of a small group of traditional owners. Then, half of them, have already banned the other half (women) to access the mountain. And on the article I read the word "discrimination". It makes all a lot of sense...
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Re: Mount Warning National Park Management Plan

Postby crollsurf » Fri 25 Nov, 2022 5:30 pm

This was already documented in July under the Wollumbin AP Management Plan so not sure why it's suddenly become news
https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/research-and-publications/publications-search/wollumbin-aboriginal-place-management-plan
There will/is "women only" and "men only" sites. Interestingly the plans states "if women access areas that are restricted to men, women are in physical danger and likewise for men".

Plan is also to transfer all NSW National Parks to Aboriginal owners that are then to be leased back to the government
https://www.nsw.gov.au/media-releases/national-parks-joint-management
Consultation has already begun
https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/topics/parks-reserves-and-protected-areas/park-management/community-engagement/aboriginal-joint-management-model-consultation

So watch this space
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Re: Mount Warning National Park Management Plan

Postby Nuts » Wed 30 Nov, 2022 12:15 pm

crollsurf wrote: Interestingly the plans states "if women access areas that are restricted to men, women are in physical danger and likewise for men".


Is interesting. I assume in terms of becoming ill (in this day and age), how can any inherent belief, including designated gender sites, be set aside without dismissing a cultural claim entirely?

More broadly, I don't see why the aboriginal collective would want to manage parks, assuming rent is 'nominal' and access is (generally) expected. And do wonder, given previous experience of selected stakeholders (and the dissent mentioned), who has had the loudest voice here.

It is a bit confusing to think that 'ownership' will be transferred, given we assume governments (P&W) are expected, at the end of the day, to have been custodians, a concept being expressed many years ago when traditional groups (the 'nation') were/was starting to be heard.
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Re: Mount Warning National Park Management Plan

Postby aussiehiker » Fri 02 Dec, 2022 3:10 pm

This has been in the pipeline for a while. NPWS commissioned a study of alternative options to climbing Wollumbin back in 2013 when the track had to be closed following a storm event.
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... fe_Service
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Re: Mount Warning National Park Management Plan

Postby Avatar » Sun 11 Dec, 2022 9:01 pm

Now closed to visitors.
Photos, paintings or drawings could also be disallowed.
North Coast Indigenous woman Stella Whielden, is pursuing an international human rights case over the ban on women at Mt Warning.
Wonder who is funding this case?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -Plan.html
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Re: Mount Warning National Park Management Plan

Postby duncanm » Sun 11 Dec, 2022 10:52 pm

She should identify as a man, then there'd be no issue.

It'd be wonderful to see the intersectional heads explode trying to untangle that.
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