Another car camping query Shelter domes??

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Another car camping query Shelter domes??

Postby Moondog55 » Sun 09 Sep, 2018 11:25 am

Sort of a companion query to the one here.
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We will be camping at Uluru for a week to ten days so we can take things slowly and relax as well as getting a feel for the centre.
I was thinking of getting a Coleman gazebo dome for sun shelter but I see so many mixed reports about them that I'm looking for feedback from owners whose opinions I can rely on.
Also any alternative dome type gazebos of about 4.5 metres in size that members have positive experiences with and could recommend. We have several carrels that we can attach to a 14foot sized dome that we got when Rays North Geelong closed down and we like to spread out when we can as our favourite camping chairs are big
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Re: Another car camping query Shelter domes??

Postby michael_p » Sun 09 Sep, 2018 11:38 am

I have friends who have two of the Coleman Domes.

The Coleman domes are really good for sun protection but they are not waterproof. Anything more than a shower and you might as well be sitting out in the rain. Also, after enough rain the ground under the dome gets wet and can become muddy. You can cover them in cheap blue tarps to make them waterproof.

The wife and I have a small camper trailer and we use a 3x3m Oztrail gazebo. We put the gazebo up against the trailer and find it gives us plenty of room to set up in. I made a gutter out of a blue tarp to go between the trailer and gazebo so no problems with rain ingress between them.

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Re: Another car camping query Shelter domes??

Postby Moondog55 » Sun 09 Sep, 2018 12:28 pm

I suppose I could paint them with diluted silicon or use Nikwax DWR
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Re: Another car camping query Shelter domes??

Postby michael_p » Sun 09 Sep, 2018 12:43 pm

Yes you could. The Coleman fabric is listed as 75d, so with some extra waterproofing it may be enough but I am no expert in this area so I could be wrong.

BTW: the sun walls do make a difference when it gets a bit windy.

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Re: Another car camping query Shelter domes??

Postby Moondog55 » Mon 10 Sep, 2018 7:41 am

There is also a heavier fly version. It is however double the price. Still I wonder if the heavier fabric would handle the UV and wind better?
I remeber seeing a similar shelter a few years ago that used a large ring in the centre to hold the struts, I always thought that was a good design to use with a pot belly stove
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Re: Another car camping query Shelter domes??

Postby michael_p » Mon 10 Sep, 2018 8:33 am

Moondog55 wrote:There is also a heavier fly version. It is however double the price. Still I wonder if the heavier fabric would handle the UV and wind better?
I remeber seeing a similar shelter a few years ago that used a large ring in the centre to hold the struts, I always thought that was a good design to use with a pot belly stove

Of course the heavier fly is double the price. Why not rip people off.

The centre of the roof is a cross pole system. There are mesh vents with a flap of fabric covering the mesh. Here is a video of the dome my friends have and you can see the centre pole configuration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUZuABk8XK4 . You may be able to modify one for a pot belly but I would be concerned about the chimney being so close to the roof fabric.

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Re: Another car camping query Shelter domes??

Postby bobcrusader » Mon 10 Sep, 2018 9:10 am

I'd avoid a tarp floor - grab a mesh one (Kings are fine) or those mats that lock together like a puzzle. The red dust will be all over the tarp floor in a second. I would take the risk and not worry about rain - from the Uluru website: "Uluru-Kata Tjuta averages 308mm (about 12 inches) rain each year. It typically has 5 days a month all year round when it is cloudy (not necessarily raining) so you would have to be lucky to actually be there when it rains." Note that beer is $10 a can - you have been warned.
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Re: Another car camping query Shelter domes??

Postby Moondog55 » Mon 10 Sep, 2018 9:58 am

bobcrusader wrote:INote that beer is $10 a can - you have been warned.


I don't drink tinned beer so that's OK but we might just bring some as "negotiable instruments"
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Re: Another car camping query Shelter domes??

Postby Warin » Mon 10 Sep, 2018 10:32 am

bobcrusader wrote:The red dust will be all over the tarp floor in a second.


Shade cloth folded and used as an entry door mat reduces the entry of sand/dust .. into a caravan/tent/etc. Also makes a good work surface for any repairs.

There is a fair amount of that red sand/dust out in the camp ground .. but the Ayers Rock/Uluru camp ground is also hard packed in places .. you may need a drill to get holes in it for your tent pegs!

Agree about rain .... if you get any out there ... buy a lottery ticket.
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Re: Another car camping query Shelter domes??

Postby Moondog55 » Mon 10 Sep, 2018 10:47 am

I'll get Cecile to sew up a mesh floor before we go, 2 or 3 layer ?
We have plenty of shade cloth here, I got 100 metres at a clearance auction
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Re: Another car camping query Shelter domes??

Postby Warin » Mon 10 Sep, 2018 11:30 am

Moondog55 wrote:I'll get Cecile to sew up a mesh floor before we go, 2 or 3 layer ?


If the layers are sewn together then you'll have a hard time getting the sand out.
Fold it for use.. then unfold it and shake to get the sand out of it.
I'd not do the shade cloth in a large size as that makes it more difficult to 'clean'.

The more layers you have to more sand it will collect before needing to be 'cleaned' (unfolded and shaken).
3 is good.
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Try to keep an entry way section where the mat is small enough for frequent 'cleaning' - say 1 metre square.

I have only ever seen it used on small areas .. not a whole shade area.
It is not light, I think a tarp will be lighter.
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Re: Another car camping query Shelter domes??

Postby Moondog55 » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 3:35 pm

We have been reluctant to buy something. Feedback on most of them is that they are all LW and fragile.
But I just opened an email from Black Wolf and I saw the Sombra shelters

https://www.blackwolf.com.au/store/tent ... elter-450/

While the frames are 19mm steel and probably not much stronger than the frames from other companies the fabric is much heavier. 150d Polyester.
It is however double the price.
If it lasts 3 times longer it is cheaper in the long term. Anybody heard anything about it?
The Tuff Dome Plus is at a very good price too, might be worth getting one more
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Re: Another car camping query Shelter domes??

Postby Moondog55 » Sun 12 Jul, 2020 3:54 pm

I still haven't made any progress on my decision making, especially as The Boss has said that I may be OK to go skiing in 2021 and I'd really need that wood fire to dry out gear.
Micheal that u-Tube video is still marked "Private" and I still can't watch it.
Tempted tho on the "Sombra" at the sale price if only black wolf would reply to questions on sizing, there are no sites I have seen that give the actual dimensions and I do need to be able to stand up inside it for it to work. Of course snow load on all that roof area would be a problem but the centre being a plastic hub could be supported by a vertical pole. Uluru will still be there after lockdown finishes as will the High Plains next year
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Re: Another car camping query Shelter domes??

Postby michael_p » Sun 12 Jul, 2020 6:23 pm

Moondog55 wrote:Micheal that u-Tube video is still marked "Private" and I still can't watch it.

How weird, I can't see it now either.
Here is a video from Snowys on the Coleman Event 14: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkWnZmEwLJY
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Re: Another car camping query Shelter domes??

Postby Neo » Mon 13 Jul, 2020 8:06 pm

Looks too fiddley to set up. A tarp or two with poles would be fine for car camping and more custom configurations possible.
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Re: Another car camping query Shelter domes??

Postby Moondog55 » Mon 13 Jul, 2020 10:10 pm

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